Award No. 6173
Docket No. 6033
2-PCT (NYC) -FO-'71
NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD
SECOND DIVISION
The Second Division consisted of the regular members and in
addition Referee Paul C. Dugan when award was rendered.
PARTIES TO DISPUTE:
SYSTEM FEDERATION NO. 103, RAILWAY EMPLOYES'
DEPARTMENT, AFL-CIO (Firemen & Oilers)
PENN CENTRAL TRANSPORTATION COMPANY
DISPUTE: CLAIM OF EMPLOYES:
1. That the Carrier violated the provisions of Rule No. 24 of the
current agreement when they unjustly dealt with and arbitrarily removed Classified Laborer Floyd West from the service of the Carrier for allegedly striking a fellow employe and being abusive.
2. That Classified Laborer Floyd West be compensated for all
wage loss since August 6, 1968 and be returned to the service of
the Carrier with seniority, vacation, health and welfare and life insurance rights unimpaired and, further, in addition to the money
amounts claimed herein, the Carrier shall pay Floyd West an additional amount of 6% per annum, compounded annually on the anniversary date of the claim.
EMPLOYES' STATEMENT OF FACTS: Floyd West (hereinafter referred to as the claimant) was employed by the Penn Central Transportation
Company (hereinafter referred to as the carrier) as such on July 13, 1943,
having some twenty-five years of service.
In a letter dated July 31, 1968, General Foreman Passafiume advised the
claimant to appear for an investigation at 9:00 A. M., August 6, 1968, on
charges set forth therein. Hearing was held on August 6, 1968. In a letter
dated August 13, 1968, C. Passafiume, General Foreman, advised the Claimant he was removed from the service.
This dispute was handled with carrier officials designated to handle same,
who all declined to adjust the matter. The agreement effective August 15,
1952, as subsequently amended, is controlling.
POSITION OF EMPLOYES: It is submitted that the claimant was
unjustly dealt with and, accordingly, the case was handled under Rule No. 24
of the current agreement, seeking settlement and having case adjusted under
" * * * If it is found that the employe has been unjustly suspended or dismissed from the service, such employe shall be reinstated with his seniority rights unimpaired, and compensated for his
net wage loss, if any, resulting from said suspension or dismissal."
In the application of the above rule, the phrase "net wage loss, if any"
has been interpreted to permit the deduction of outside earnings in making
monetary adjustment in discipline cases. This interpretation is consistent
with Awards of the National Railroad Adjustment Board typified by Second Division Award 1821, in which Referee A. E. Wenke stated, in pertinent
part:
"The claim is made for `compensation for all time lost since the
aforesaid date', which is December 3, 1952. This right is qualified by
the language of Rule 29 which provides he shall be `compensated for
his net wage loss, if any, resulting from said dismissal.' In other
words, claimant must show, before he can recover any compensation, that his dismissal has resulted in a net wage loss and, if he
does, he can recover the amount of net wage loss he establishes he
actually suffered as a consequence of his dismissal."
The rule has no provisions for compensation of "all wage loss" or "seniority, vacation, health and welfare and life insurance rights unimpaired."
Furthermore, it is obvious that the rule has no provision for the payment of
interest and, consequently, your Board is without authority to grant any
such request. In this regard, Referee Claude S. Woody, in Award 15709 of
the Third Division, National Railroad Adjustment Board, had the following
to say:
". 
. . Interest pendente lite is not provided for in the Agreement
between the parties in the instant case and, therefore, must be
denied.
Awards 2675 (2nd Division), 6962 (3rd Division), 8088 (3rd Division), 12989 (1st Division), 13098 (1st Division) and 13099 (1st Division), support and, under the doctrine of stare decisis, control our
decision item (c) of the claim."
Without in any manner waiving its position stated above, the carrier
further submits that the claim for interest is improperly before your Board
in that such claim was never presented on the property. Your Board, in
awards too numerous to cite, has dismissed claims that were not handled on
the property.
For all of the above reasons, the carrier respectfully requests your Honorable Board to dismiss or deny the employes' claim in this case.
FINDINGS: The Second Division of the Adjustment Board, 
upon the
whole record and all the evidence, finds that:
The carrier or carriers and the employe or employes involved in this
dispute are respectively carrier and employe within the meaning of the
Railway Labor Act as approved June 21, 1934.
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This Division of the Adjustment Board has jurisdiction over the 
dispute
involved herein.
Parties to said dispute were given due notice of hearing thereon.
Claimant was advised by Carrier that:
"You are charged with conduct unbecoming an Employe in that
you were abusive and did allegedly strike a fellow employe, J. R.
Thomas, on July 30, 1968, at approximately 8:45 A. M., Central
Time, in the Employes' Locker Room, resulting in an injury to his
left eye."
At the outset, Carrier raises a procedural issue, alleging that the Claim
is barred for failure of Claimant to present a timely appeal from the discipline imposed by Carrier's Master Mechanic as required by Rule 24 of the
Agreement, the pertinent part thereof providing as follows:
"(a) Should any employe subject to this agreement believe he has
been unjustly dealt with or any provision of this agreement violated,
the case shall be taken to the foreman, general foreman, master mechanic or shop superintendent (or corresponding officials where these
titles are not in effect), each in respective order, by the duly authorized local committee, or its accredited representative, within 10 calendar days. * * * "
Carrier by letter dated August 13, 1968, advised Claimant through its
General Foreman that he was removed from Carrier's service effective July
30, 1968. By letter dated September 23, 1968, the Local Chairman, C. Rivers,
appealed the decision to terminate Claimant's employment with Carrier to
Carrier's Master Mechanic, F. D. Abate. Thus, at first blush, it would appear
that the Organization failed to comply with the specific requirements of said
procedural Rule 24 (a) of the Agreement. However, the organization points
out that Carrier did not raise said procedural objection until the claim was
progressed through to Carrier's highest designated officer, N. P. Patterson,
who on December 19, 1969, in his letter to. the Organization's SecretaryTreasurer, C. F. Connell, stated:
"Prior to dealing with the merit of this Claim, the record indicated the time between administration of discipline and protest by
the Organization exceeded 10 calendar days."
The Organization contends that said protest of Carrier in regard to
said alleged procedural defect was not raised at any time on the property
prior to the last step appeal to Carrier's Director of Labor Relations, N. P.
Patterson, and thus comes too late. In support of its position in this regard,
the Organization has cited a number of awards, namely, Awards No. 3931
and No. 5223 of this Division, and to Third Division Award No. 11570.
In said Award No. 3931, this Board held:
"The first five Carrier officials, including the Shop Superintendent, denied the Claim on its merit without any reference to defects
in procedure. Not until final denial by the Assistant to Vice President was any reference made to procedural defects under the Time
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Limit Rule. That objection, if valid, therefore, came too late, as has
been held under similar circumstances by many awards, including
Award No. 1834."
Therefore, Carrier's contention in regard to said procedural defect is
without merit and must be denied.
Concerning the merits, the Organization's position is that Carrier failed
to prove that Claimant actually struck Employe Thomas as charged; that
witness Jankawski testified that there was no blow struck as far as he
could see; that witness Stryjewski was not positive as to what took place,
because he testified that he didn't see any blow struck, and then stated that
"he only saw him knocked down once"; that witness Williams testified that he
didn't see anybody get hit; that the hearing officer was judge and jury in
determining the discipline to the Claimant.
Carrier's position is that the discipline imposed was warranted because:
(1) All of the witnesses testified that the Claimant barged through
the door of the Employes' Locker Room and grabbed Mr. Thomas
by the throat;
(2) Messrs. Jankawski and Williams testified that the Claimant did
use abusive language and appeared in a hostile attitude;
(3) Mr. Jankawski testified that he saw the Claimant poke his
thumb in Mr. Thomas' eye;
(4) None of the witnesses categorically stated that Claimant did not
strike the Claimant; and
(5) Mr. Thomas actually sustained an eye injury as a result of the
occurrence.
The record clearly discloses that Claimant was abusive toward Employe
Thomas. Witness Jankawski, as well as Witness Williams, testified that
Claimant used profanity toward Employe Thomas; Witness Jankawski testified that Claimant appeared to be in a hostile attitude, and Witness Williams
testified that in his opinion Claimant was abusive to Employe Thomas.
Therefore, we feel that Carrier met its burden of proving that Claimant was abusive toward fellow employe J. R. Thomas.
In regard to the charge of allegedly striking a fellow employe, there is no
question that Claimant came flying or barging through the door to the locker
room. It is further seen from the witnesses' testimony given at the hearing
that Claimant did grab Employe Thomas, and Witness Jankawski testified
that he believed Claimant poked his right thumb in Mr. Thomas' eye after
Claimant had grabbed Thomas by the neck or collar; Witness Stryjewski testified that Claimant, after barging in the door, went straight over to Mr.
Thomas, and grabbed him by the throat or shirt. Witness Stryjewski further
testified that:
"The next thing I saw was that Mr. Thomas was on the floor and
started to get up, hollering that his eye hurt, and all that. I didn't
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see any blow struck, but he went after him. After he was getting
up the second time, Mr. Jankawski got up to break it up; but Mr.
Williams got up right then and broke it up."
Although none of the witnesses, with the exception of Mr. Stryjewski,
testified that they saw any blows struck, yet there is no question but that
Claimant was the aggressor in a fight with another fellow employe, Mr.
Thomas, and in the ensuing melee Claimant, without justification, caused personal injury to the eye of the said Mr. Thomas. There is no doubt that Employe Thomas was caused to be taken down to the floor as a result of
Claimant's unwarranted agressive actions. Therefore, Carrier was justified
in concluding from the evidence taken as a whole that Claimant did in fact
strike fellow employe Thomas without justification. Carrier thus met its
burden of proving Claimant guilty as charged in this instance.
Claimant committed a very serious act in assaulting a fellow employe.
Carrier not only has the duty to protect its employes from injury inflicted
by one employe on another, but also the right to expect that its employes
will not physically harm fellow employes. We thus cannot conclude that Carrier acted arbitrarily, capriciously or unreasonably when it dismissed Claimant from its service. Therefore, we must deny the claim.
AWARD
Claim denied.
NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT 
BOARD
By Order of SECOND DIVISION
ATTEST: E. A. Killeen
 
Executive Secretary
Dated at Chicago, Illinois, this 8th day of October, 1971.
CONCURRING OPINION OF CARRIER MEMBERS
 
TO AWARD NO. 6173
We concur wholeheartedly in the denial of this claim.
However, we cannot agree with the Referee's findings with respect to the
time limit provisions contained in Rule 24, wherein he states:
"Therefore, Carrier's contention in regard to said procedural
defect (time limit) is without merit and must be denied."
The Carrier's highest designated officer raised said procedural objection
in his letter dated December 19, 1969 to the organization's secretary-treasurer
reading as follows:
"Prior to dealing with the merit of this claim, the record indicated the time between administration of discipline and protest by
the organization exceeded 10 calendar days."
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It has been held in numerous Awards of this Board and has been endorsed by the labor organizations, that if the issue of non-compliance with the
requirements of time limit provisions is raised by either party with the other
at any time before the filing of a notice of intent to submit the dispute
to the Board, it is held to have been raised during the handling on the
property.
Therefore, we dissent to the Referee's denial of the Carrier's contention
with respect to this matter.
H. F. M. Braidwood
R. E. Black
P. C. Carter
E. T. Horsley
W. B. Jones
LABOR MEMBERS' REPLY TO CARRIER MEMBERS'
CONCURRING OPINION IN 
AWARD NO. 6173
We, the Labor Members, take exception to the Carrier's statement which
reads:
"It has been . . . endorsed by labor organizations, that if the
issue of non-compliance with the requirements of time limit provisions is raised by either party with the other at any time before the
filing of a notice of intent to submit the dispute to the Board, it is
held to have been raised during the handling on the property . . . ."
as the record and the findings of Award No. 6173 point out the position of
the Organizations on this subject matter. These findings read in part as follows:
"At the outset Carrier raises a procedural issue, alleging that
the Claim is barred for failure of Claimant to present a timely
appeal from the discipline imposed by Carrier's Master Mechanic as
required by Rule 24 of the Agreement, the pertinent part thereof
providing as follows:
`(a) Should any employe subject to this agreement believe he has been unjustly dealt with or any provision of this
agreement violated, the case shall be taken to the foreman,
general foreman, master mechanic or shop superintendent
(or corresponding officials where these titles are not in
effect), each in respective order, by the duly authorized
local committee, or its accredited representative, within
10 calendar days. * * *.'
Carrier by letter dated August 13, 1968 advised Claimant through
its General Foreman that he was removed from Carrier's service
effective July 30, 1968. By letter dated September 23, 1968, the Local
Chairman C. Rivers appealed the decision to terminate Claimant's
employment with Carrier to Carrier's Master Mechanic F. D. Abate.
Thus, at first blush, it would appear that the Organization failed to
comply with the specific requirements of said procedural rule 24 (a)
of the Agreement. However, the organization points out that Car-
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rier did not raise said procedural objection until the claim was progressed through to Carrier's highest designated officer, N. P. Patterson, who on December 19, 1969, in his letter to the Organization's
Secretary-Treasurer, C. F. Connell, stated:
`Prior to dealing with the merit of this Claim, the record
indicated the time between administration of discipline and
protest by the Organization exceeded 10 calendar days.'
The Organization contends that said protest of Carrier in regard
to said alleged procedural defect was not raised at any time on the
property prior to the last step appeal to Carrier's Director of Labor
Relations, N. P. Patterson, and thus comes too late. In support of its
position in this regard, the Organization has cited a number of awards,
namely, Awards Nos. 3931 and No. 5223 of this Division and to Third
Division Award No. 11570.
In said Award No. 3931, this Board held:
`The first five Carrier officials, including the Shop Superintendent, denied the Claim on its merit without any reference to defects in procedure. Not until final denial by the
Assistant to Vice President was any reference made to procedural defects under the Time Limit Rule. That objection,
if valid, therefore, came too late, as has been held under
similar circumstances by many awards, including Award No.
1834.'
Therefore, Carrier's contention in regard to said procedural
defect is without merit and must be denied."
Therefore, Award No. 6173, insofar as the issue of procedure is concerned in this dispute, has the agreement of the Labor Members with the
above quoted part of the Award.
D. S. Anderson
Robert E. Stenzinger
E. J. McDermott
O. 
L. Wertz
E. J. Haesaert
Keenan Printing Co., Chicago, Ill.  Printed in 
U.S.A.
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