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~_,s 1 NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD Award No. 6402
SECOND DIVISION Docket No. 
6224
 
2-CRI&P-CM-'72
The Second Division consisted of the regular members and in
addition Referee Irving T. Bergman when award was rendered.
( System Federation No. 
6, 
Railway Employes'
( Department, A . F. of L. - C. I. 0.
Parties to Dispute: (  (Carmen)
( Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad Company
Dispute: Claim of Employes
(1) That under the controlling Agreement, Carman J. W. Elliff was unjustly
suspended from the services of the Carrier for ninety (90) days.
(2) That accordingly, the Carrier be ordered to compensate Cancan J. W.
Elliff for all time lost in this ninety (90) days.
Findings:
The Second Division of the Adjustment Board, upon the whole record and all
evidence, finds that
The carrier or carriers and the employe or employes involved in this dispute
a: respectively carrier and employe within the meaning of the Railway Labor Act
as approved June 21, 1934.
This Division of the Adjustment Board has jurisdiction over the dispute
involved herein.
Parties to said dispute waived right of appearance at hearing thereon.
This is a discipline case in which the Organization protested the decision and
penalty claiming- that it was based upon the unsupported testimony of claimant's
supervisor, the Train, Yard Foremen. In Employes' Sutbnission, under Position of
Employes*,, p 2-4, no protest was made concerning the notice or conduct of the hearing under Rule 34 of the Agreement. 
Objection was 
raised to the introduction of
testimony at the hearing regarding an incident which occurred two years earlier between the claimant and the Train Yard Foreman.
The record of the hearing disclosed that while the claimant and two other carmen
were working on a car, the foreman complained that the work was progressing too slowly. The foreman testified that claimant told him to watch out for himself rather than
to watch him. When the fore=an asked 
claimant 
to clarify this, claimant answered that
the foreman kne-i what he meant. The foreman then volunteered that he understood the
answer because two years earlier, when the foreman had problems with him, the claimant
h a 
told. him to watch his step because a brake shoe might fall off a box 
car on his
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The foreman then testified that when he returned to observe the work a little
later, claimant had to go to the rest room. The foreman took him there and back
to the work site in his truck. The foreman testified that during 
this 
ride, while
they were alone, claimant stated to him 
thav 
he really meant what he 
had 
Amid about
the brake shoe tlling on the foreman's head and that the foreman better vr,tch out.
Also that claimant told foreman during the ride that if the foreman had anything to do
with the firing of any carman, he would personally see to it that the foreman would
leave, "one way or another." The foreman also testified that the next day, claimant
asked him what bar he hung out at saying that, "he just wondered."
Claimant testified that the foreman's entire statement eras a lie. His own
version was as follows: The foreman carne to the work site nervous and upset. Claimant
who was working alone on the opposite side of the car but trying to listen, heard the
foreman tell the other carmen that he had been threatercd about having a brake shoe
fall on his head, that be wasn't "afraid of. any roan T,;al_king", that he knows, "ho;r to
handle you men". Claimant testified that the fore-an then came arcur-3 to him and
because the foreman either did not like the say claimant eras looking at bin, or knew -
that he didn't care for the gray the fore-nan leas treating the men, the foremsn tried
to get claimant, "to say something that 
would 
be incrininating". Clntnant then asked
the foreman to clarify what he meant by, "threat", but foreman replied that it Ims,
"not worth discussion".
When asked by the master mechanic conducting 
the 
hearing what he meant by his
statement about the way the forer-an treated the men, claiaat testified that the
foreman had an attituic of, "a Godlike power over each and every man under hi<-1", that,
"iihen I say move-you better move:", and that "he looks 
at 
himself as being far
superior to anyone else around him".
One of the carnen echo was working with claimant at 
the tire, 
testified in detail
about the progress 
of 
the work and the foreman going over 
it with 
the-_2. The 
witness
stated that at one of the tees that the foreman came back to the work site, ttr
foreman spoke of threats about brake shores falling on his 
head but cone scared him,
"that he had bezn arc-:id men 
like us before aril he would see men like us in the
future". The witness to .tified that the foreman was in, "a pleasant disposition and
sailing in a friendly manner", when 
he 
spoke of this. Further, the witness stated
that the foreman started to leave, but came back, 
and standing with the witness and
the other car--en,, 
callO:d 
claimant over and said to claimant, talkin3 about the brake
shoes; "are 
you 
threateniuS me? If you 
are, 
I have Louis and Ted here by cue".
C1.°int 
a!a-.~cred, "no", and went back to his 
oiling. The witness testified, 
that the
fore::,an wns no longer in, "an eased 
manner", 
and "Icoked as if he kms sericr$". This
witness verified t':st claimant and foreman had driven off in the truck toward the
locker room.
During the hearing, tyro representatives of the 
claimant were present arra
participated. One of them protested 
that the hearing was 
not being held. pursuant
to Rule 34 of the Agreement. 
He also protested that the fore-man's testimorrj of
events which occur°r c3 ti-·o years earlier h.al no bearing on this hearing. Peth
representatives stated 
test 
they understocwi that they could 
provide any 
additional 
C ,
information 
and could recorP. any 
protest during the hearing.
.
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Claimant testified that he was fafliar with Rule "N" of Form G-147 Revised
which provided, in part that, "EaVlayes must not be: (3) Insubordinate, (6)
Quarrelsome or otherwise vicious".
We find nothing wrong with the notice and conduct of the hearing. 
The notice
was time7,ql, specific as 
to the charge 
and advised claimant of his right to be
represented and to 
produce witnesses. 
He was 
represented at the hearing and did
produce a witness. Full opportunity-was 
provided 
at the hearing 
to 
offer testiaony
or information, to question witnesses 
and to 
state any objections. We do not
c onsider 
the 
foreman's 
testinoxW of the incident 
two years earlier as entitled to
any weight in arriving at the decision.
An we said in our Award No. 6372 decided recently, when it is one man's word
against another, we cannot sustain a claim simply because the claimsnt denies the
charge. If 
the one who conducted the hearing 
chose 
to believe one ran 
as againot
the otter, we will not 
upset his decision if 
there is 
evidence to srpport it. No
claim appears in the 
record 
before us that the decision wns made 
arbitrarily 
or in
bad faith, and we do not find this to exist, frcm reading 
the record of the hearing.
The testimony of the clair-ant at the hearing ahcr.fdd that 
he disapproved of the
foreman to the extent he might have cede the threat. Rule 
"n" 
of Forn G-lk=7 Pevised,
was designed to prevent personil antagonims on the job by requiring, "courteous
deportment of all employes in their dealings 
with--their 
subordinates 
and each other."
In evaluating the 
testimony of 
the claimant 
and the 
foreman, acne light is shed
b, .he testimony of claim-Ant's witness who contradicted the c)-al=-ant in de0cribins
the foreman's earxnr an-*1 attitude. It 
is possible to conclude fro-,: his 
testimflm
that the goremsn had decided to become serious 
after 
being threatened while riding
in the truck with the clair-ant and to ask in the presence of 
the other 
tivro caraen,
if claimant was threatening him.
We believe that there is sufficient evidence so 
that we will not upset the
decision, in this case. 
See Second 
Division 
Award No. 6281.
It is possible, however, that the degree of the penalty was influenced by the
form's reference to 
events 
of two years earlier which was not reported at that
tine. We 
believa 
that 
the same result would be accomplished by reducing the term
of suspension frcn service to the period 
from October 9, 1970 until December 24,
1970.
A W A R D
Claim is sustained except as stated above.
NATIOI0L RAILRUAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD
By Order of Second Division
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E~xecutave Secretary
Dated at Chicago, Illinois, this 16th day of November, 1972.