Form 1 NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD Award No. 8275
SECOND DIVISION Docket No. 8152
2-SOU-SM-' 80





Parties to Dispute:



Dispute: Claim of Employes:





Findings:

The Second Division of the Adjustment Board, upon the whole record and all the evidence, finds that:

The carrier or carriers and the employe or employes involved in this dispute are respectively carrier and employe within the meaning of the Railway Labor Act as approved June 21, 1934.

This Division of the Adjustment Board has jurisdiction over the dispute involved herein.



Claimants both completed 732-day apprenticeships as sheet metal worker helper/student mechanics prior to being promoted to journeyman status. When they began their apprenticeships both had some previous experience in sheet metal work. One had done pipe work, while the other had done sheet metal fabrication work. Neither had experience with all phases of work within the sheet metal workers' craft or class.

On October 1, 1976 an individual was hired by the Carrier who had. extensive experience, over a ten year period, in all phases of sheet metal work. This individual was not required to serve an apprenticeship but was hired as a journeyman sheet metal worker.

On August 10, 1977, the Claimants sent a letter to the Carrier questioning the applicant's having been placed directly on the journeyman's seniority list. The Claimants were sti11 serving their apprenticeships and stated:


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The Carrier did not reply to the Claimants' letter or to a subsequent letter by the General Chairman within the sixty-day period specified in Rule 35 of the Agreement. On October 15, 1977 the Claimants sent a second letter to the Carrier, advising that the matter would be referred to the General Chairman.

The Carrier responded on November 8, 1977. After apologizing for not answering the previous letter, the Carrier advised the Claimants:



The General Chairman and the Assistant Director of Labor Relations then had a number of meetings on the matter. They were unable to resolve the issue and, now, this Board must decide if the granting of journeyman's seniority to the Applicant was improper.

It is the Organization's position that, under Rule 39, the Applicant must work the 732 day apprenticeship. Rule 39 states, in relevant part:


















The Organization further argues that the claim should be sustained by virtue of the Carrier's failure to respond within the sixty days specified in Rule 35, which provides:










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"shall be allowed as presented, this shall not be considered
as a precedent or waiver of the contentions of the carrier
as to other similar claims or grievances."

The Organization notes in its rebuttal that the Carrier did not provide the test of the rules relevant to the awards that the Carrier cited, and thus, the Organization concludes that the Board should base its decision on the specific language of Rule 35 and not on awards of other cited tribunals.

The Carrier dismisses the Organization's allegation that Rule 35 was violated, arguing that the Claimants' initial letter contained no evidence or proof that would form the basis for a valid claim. The Claimants' protest, according to the Carrier, is just a statement of opinion. Thus, the Carrier concludes, it is of no consequence that the Carrier offioer failed to render a decision within the sixty-day limit since at that time there was no dispute raised or pending.

The Carrier also notes that, in any event, its failure to respond within sixty days does not serve to validate the Claimants' "recommendation" that the Applicant be required to serve 732 days.

The Carrier makes the additional argument that, should this Board render other than a dismissal or denial award, the Applicant should be given notice as an affected party and permitted to be hearal.

We are not persuaded by the organization's argument that, under Rule 39, the Applicant must work the 732 day apprenticeship. No valid protest was made when the applicant was hired and it has not been demonstrated how Rule 39 has been violated.

No evidence wa&provided to support the Claimants' initial arguments that the Applicant was no more qualified than they were or that he had not performed work that they had. There is nothing that the Board can find in Rule 39 which prohibits the Carrier from directly hiring of the Applicant was anything but proper.

The Organization argues that the Carrier's failure to respond to the protest within sixty days justifies our sustaining the claim. The Carrier's defense is that the protest is fatally defective since it contained no evidence or proof.

The Carrier's failure to initially respond to the Claimants' letter is understandable given the non-specific nature of the protest. The time limits set forth in the agreement do not provide the Carrier with discretion in deciding which "claims" must be answered and which may be ignored. In the interest of better industrial relations, the Carrier should have replied to the Claimants within sixty days. However, we find that the Carrier's silence was justified in view of the informal nature of the Claimants' letter and their failure to allege rules violations or request specific relief.

Thus, the Board concludes that the claim falls on its merits and that the Carrier's failure to respond to Claimants' initial letter did not violate the time limits specified in Rule 35.
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The agreement was not violated.

Claim denied.

A W A R D

NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD

By Order of Second Division


Attest: Executive Secretary
National Railroad Adjustment Board

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By v
~R s xie Brasch - Administrative Assistant

Dated at Chicago, Illinois, this 19th day of March, 1980.

Award No. 8275
Docket No. 8152
2-SOU-SM-180