Form 1 NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD  Award No. 11619
  
SECOND DIVISION Docket No. 11278-I
    
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The Second Division consisted of the regular members and in
 
addition Referee Edward L. Suntrup when award was rendered.
(Messrs. Leo DeBenedictis, Amit Kolecki,
(William J. Burchill(Employees)
PARTIES TO DISPUTE:
(New Jersey Transit Rail Operations
STATEMENT OF CLAIM:
This is a grievance relating to the positions of DeBenedictis,
Kolecki and Burchill on the seniority roster, Electric Traction, Substation
Electricians, Local 604. Messrs. DeBenedictis, Kolecki and Burchill are
members of Local 604, IBEW.
Briefly, Messrs. DeBenedictis, Kolecki and Burchill were hired as
groundsmen by Conrail, but sought positions in the Electric Traction Substation. Two positions became available. However, in spite of contract provisions requiring the posting of the jobs, two people were hired from the
street. DeBenedictis, Kolecki and Burchill immediately grieved and were awarded the positions. The two new hires, Williams and Raguseo, took positions as
groundsmen. Thereafter, the two new hires from the street were transferred to
the substation. They were given seniority roster positions based on their
original dates of hire into the substation, even though their hires were illegal, which put them ahead of DeBenedictis, Kolecki and Burchill on the substation roster.
FINDINGS:
The Second Division of the Adjustment Board upon the whole record and
all the evidence, finds that:
The carrier or carriers and the employe or employes involved in this
dispute are respectively carrier and employes within the meaning of the
Railway Labor Act as approved June 21, 1934.
This Division of the Adjustment Board has jurisdiction over the
dispute involved herein.
Parties to said dispute were given due notice of hearing thereon.
The instant case deals with the Claimants' proper place on the Carrier's seniority roster. The Claimants are former employees of Conrail who
transferred to New Jersey Transit Rail Operations (NJTRO), effective January
1, 1983, under an Implementing Agreement dated October 14, 1982. Under Rule 3
of this Agreement, a single NJTRTO seniority district was created for each
existing Conrail craft of employees now working for the Transit Operation.
Rule 3 of the October, 1982, Agreement states the following.
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(a)  "Seniority of electricians begins at the time they
  
are employed as such provided they qualify on such
  
positions; except at the expiration of their train
  
ing, the seniority of apprentices and helpers retain
  
ed in the service will be carried to and shown on the
  
roster and their seniority standing as electricians
  
will date from the first day employed as apprentices
  
and helpers.
 
(b)  Seniority of helpers will date from the first day
  
employed as helpers provided that they qualify on such
  
positions.
 
(c)  Employees entering the electrician's class without
  
seniority as helper shall acquire like seniority in the
  
helper class.
 
(d)  If two or more employees start to work on the same
  
day, their seniority rank on the roster of their re
  
spective classes will be in the order of their date of
  
birth, eldest first.
 
(e)  If two or more employees on the same roster acquire
  
seniority in a higher class on the same day, their re
  
lative rank in the higher class shall be the same as
  
in the class from which promoted.
 
3-B-1  The seniority roster for each class shall cover the
  
entire NJT Rail operating territory and shall con
  
stitute a single seniority district."
The seniority dates of the three Claimants to this case on the NJTRO seniority
roster, grandfathered in from Conrail, is August 25, 1982.
For a variety of reasons, related to the number of employees transferring from Conrail to NJTRO, as well as the theft of NJTRO's records in
1984, the first official seniority roster open for protest was posted in that
year. A protest period was opened, and then extended (because of the theft)
during this year. Roster protests were filed by the Claimants' other fellow
employees is the spring of 1984. Since these protests dealt with dates prior
to January 1, 1983, they were referred to Conrail for consideration and possible adjustment. These two employees had October 13 and 26, 1982, seniority
dates, respectively, on the original NJTRO seniority roster for electricians.
As a result of these protests, Conrail advised NJTRO that:
"Based on the (Electricians' Agreement Rule) and (the)
record it is (Conrail's) position that the seniority
date of July 28, 1982 (and not the October dates cited
above) is the proper seniority date ....for Raguseo and
Williams..."
These two employees were advised on July 30, 1984, by NJTRO of Conrail's
decision with respect to their proper seniority dates.
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It was this decision by Conrail, forwarded to these other employees
by NJTRO, which triggered the instant dispute before the Board.
Various correspondence of record between the law firm representing
the three Claimants to this case, and the Carrier was initiated in August of
1983 concerning the decision by Conrail to change the seniority roster dates
of employees other than Claimants. In September of 1984 the Claimants to this
case, under their own signatures, filed what they called grievances protesting
the change in the seniority dates of other fellow employees on NJTRO's electricians' seniority roster. These grievances were responded to by the Transit
Rail Operations' Manager of Labor Relations with information from Conrail
about their current seniority dates. After additional correspondence on this
matter, and conference with the Claimants' Organization's Local Chairman,
NJTRO's Director of Labor Relations wrote the Organization as follows in 1986:
"The instant dispute arises out of actions which took
place in 1982 prior to the transfer of employees from
Conrail to NJTRO. Consistent with what we have told
the grievants and the Organization, NJTRO is not in a
position to rule on the relative seniority standings
of individuals if the issues involve pre-date the transfer of employees to NJTRO on January 1, 1983. All questions relative to this dispute have been reviewed with
Conrail and the current seniority standings have been
confirmed by Conrail Labor Relations; therefore, NJTRO
is not is(sic) a position to change any seniority dates
except those changes that are approved by Conrail."
Subsequent appeal was made before the National Railroad Adjustment Board by
the law firm cited in the foregoing on behalf of the three Claimants.
After study of the complete record before it the Board must conclude
that whatever substantive dispute the Claimants have about their proper place
on NJTRO's corrected, 1985 seniority roster, result of events which Conrail
ruled on and which took place in 1982, must more properly be resolved by Conrail, not NJTRO. The record shows that NJTRO used the same procedures, which
were the only ones available to it, in attempting to accommodate the instant
Claimants' view of their proper place on the NJTRO seniority roster as it did
with other fellow employees since the disputed events took place prior to
January 1, 1983: NJTRO went to Conrail for a decision and clarification of the
protests in question and such was forwarded to all parties concerned. NJTRO
has jurisdiction to do no more under operant Agreements of record between
itself and the Claimants.
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A W A R D
Claim denied.
NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD
 
By Order of Second Division
Attest:
Nancy J. er - Executive Secretary
Dated at Chicago, Illinois, this 11th day of January 1989.