PARTIES TO DISPUTE:
THE ORDER OF RAILROAD TELEGRAPHERS
THE DELAWARE AND HUDSON RAILROAD CORPORATION

STATEMENT OF CLAIM: Chum of the General Committee of The Order of Railroad Telegraphers on the Delaware and Hudson Railroad, that:

1. Carrier violated Agreement between the parties hereto when on March 24, 28 and April 5, 1956, it caused, required or permitted train service employes to handle (receive, copy and deliver) train orders at Corinth, New York, as shown below:



2. Herbert B. Austin, regular assigned agent-telegrapher, Corinth, New York, was available (but not called) to perform work of handling train orders above set out and carrier shall now be required to compensate him for one call for each violation, as provided in Article 3(d) of the agreement, at the rate of $2.406 per hour. Each call $7.22, (total claim $36.10).



EMPLOYES' STATEMENT OF FACTS: There was, at all times hereinafter mentioned, in full force and effect a collective bargaining agreement entered into by and between the Delaware and Hudson Railroad Corporation, hereinafter referred to as Carrier or Management, and The Order of Railroad Telegraphers, hereinafter referred to as Telegraphers or Employes. The Agreement in force at the time of the violation set forth herein was effective on July 1, 1944. The Agreement, as amended, is on file with this Division


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Claims are not supported by agreement rulse and practices thereunder and carrier respectfully requests that they be denied.


Management affirmatively states that all matters referred to in the foregoing have been discussed with the committee and made part of the particular question in dispute.




OPINION OF BOARD: This case involves the copying of a train order by a conductor at a station where a telegrapher is employed but was not on duty.


The question involves whether Article 23 under the factual situation herein was violated. Article 23 provides:


"ARTICLE No. 23

"Handling Train Orders




This same Article involving the same parties has been interpreted by this Board on many occasions, and its interpretation applied to factual situation as presented herein.


In the instant case, there was no emergency and the Carrier did not call the Claimant on the basis of the Awards 8260, 9204, 9343, 10241, 10243, 10435 and 10526. Claims 1 and 2 are sustained.


Claim No. 3 will be allowed for the reason that the Carrier did not comply with Article V in setting forth its reasons for denying the claim. See Award 9205.


FINDINGS: The Third Division of the Adjustment Board, after giving the parties to this dispute due notice of hearing thereon, and upon the whole record and all the evidence, finds and holds:



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Carrier and Employes within the meaning of the Railway Labor Act, as approved June 21, 1934;

That this Division of the Adjustment Board has jurisdiction over the dispute involved herein; and





    Claims 1, 2 and 3 sustained.


              NATIONAL RAILROAD ADJUSTMENT BOARD

              By Order of THIRD DIVISION


              ATTEST: S. H. Schulty

              Executive Secretary


Dated at Chicago, Illinois, this 11th day of February, 1963.

CARRIER MEMBERS' DISSENT TO AWARD 11111, DOCKET TE-9565

The Majority improperly held among other things, that Claim 3 would be allowed because Carrier did not comply with Article V when the Superintendent did not set forth his reasons in denying the claim.

We have previously held that when there is no proper claim before the Carrier, there is no requirement to deny it or give reasons. In Award 9250 (Stone), we held:

"Carrier . . asserts that it did make timely denial of the claim and contends that the claim should not be sustained for the reason that it is vague, indefinite and uncertain and not made in behalf of any identifiable claimant.


"The employes involved in the claim here submitted are neither named nor identified. Section 1(a) of Article V of August 21, 1954, relied on by petitioner also requires that all claims or grievances must be presented by or in behalf of the employe involved. Where there is no identifiable claimant in whose behalf the claim is made there is no proper claim before us upon which to act and the tendered claim should be dismissed."


It is apparent that Paragraph 3 was not a valid claim because it was too vague and indefinite-as we have previously held in Awards 9343, 10435 and 10914-therefore, there was nothing for Carrier to act upon and the claim should have been dismissed.

    For the reasons stated above, we dissent.


/s/ R. A. DeRossett /s/ W. F. Euker
R. A. DeRossett W. F. Faker
/s/ G. L. Naylor /s/ R. E. Black
G. L. Naylor R. E. Black

                      /s/ W. M. Roberts

                      W. M. Roberts