- Suite 514 Beacon Building


                                    December 5, 1963


Mr. G. E. Leighty, Chairman
Section 13 Committee - Agreement May, 1936
Washington, D. C.
For Members representing participating
Organizations of Employes c/o The Order of Railroad Telegraphers 3860 Lindell Boulevard St. Louis 8, Missouri

Mr. W. S. Macgill, Chairman
                  -Section 13 Committee - Agreement May, 1936, Washington, D. C. For Members representing participating Carriers c/o Bureau of Information Eastern Railways Room 1050 - 342 Madison Avenue New York 17, New York


Gentlemen:

I am furnishing each of you, herewith, two copies of my response to dissents on file. Three copies are being furnished to the National Mediation Board for the record. I do not know whether there will be any reproduction or distribution through the offices of the National Mediation Board, but each of you is at liberty to reproduce and make such distribution as will serve some additional purpose, if any, in your opinion.

Very truly yours,
/s/ A. Langley Coffey
A. Langley Coffey
P. 0. Box 212
Encl. Sand Springs, Oklahoma

cc: E. C. Thompson

      NOTE: Referee Coffey's response consists of 24 pages and neither adds to nor detracts from these decisions. For these reasons the response is not included in this document. However, copies are available upon request.


                              G. E. Leighty


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    . Agreement of May, 1936, lfaahington. D.C.

    (1Yashington Job Protaction Agreunmnt)

    Committee Zstabliahod Under Section 19

    Rofereoia Findings and Decialons

    Dated Chicago, I11inoie, March 19,1963

    (A. Langley Coffey. Referee) DEC63

    Dockets 70, 71, 73, 74, 73, 73, 79. 88, 89. . ., ;·

    9o, 92, 95, 93, 99. loo. ~:~ j'


              REFEtZE RESIPONS E x0 DISSENTS


- The learned Employee Ropresentntives of the Section 13 Committee
are on record with diasento in all but three cares where the decision
was against them. As a further display of the same vigor with which
they tried to protect me against the error they now see in the workings
of "legalistic mindal· and "mental gymaastico" that "can make white'
turn Into black", they add a general dissent.

I must continue to disagree with my most worthy and highly respected colleaauos, for whom I leave a great deal of personal admiration. I can and will refrain, however, from being disagreeable.

              RE-SUBMITTED DOCKCT N0.70


The Committee, with aasiarance of another Referee, decided that the proposed integration of switching service on the San Fernando Branch.ky employee of Pacific aactric with road service performed by Southern Pacific crows was a,coordination'' within the meaning of Section 2(a) of the -Washington Tab Protection Agreement,

It seemingly made no difference to the %mployae Representatives of the Committee that their axguxnent, on principle, for holding that yard and road service could not be unified. consolidated, merged or pooled in whole or part, duo to a difference to the service and a difference in rules schedules, had failed to convince the other Referee that the separate services could not be "coordinated".

(Continued)

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Re-Submitted D
o^ket No. 70 contid. - p. 2

The force of their argument before me was that the other Referee erred in deciding that the Carriers' proposed integration is a "coordination" within the moaning of Section 2(a) of the Agreement, supra, for reaaono again assigned in the dissent. In what I thought was a layman's language, i ruled:

        "That decision is final and bidding on the parties to thin dispute as provided in Section 13 of said Agreement."


Section ld clearly provides that the "decision of the Referee shall be final and conclusive."

The record was road. From what I read therein, neither the Employes, nor their Reprcoentatives, had any real interest in thq "selection of forces from the employees of all the Carriers involved on bases as appropriate for application in the particular case." I urged upon the partisan members of the Committee that they agree upon a plan if they could and allowed them time for doing so. They . did not confer, but submitted separate papers for my attention and _ study. The Employee Representatives of the Committee offered nothing new. They continued to argue instead:

(A) That Carriers' right to re-submit "bas no foundation under any provision of the Washington Agreement";

(B) That Sections 4 and 5 of the Agreement of May, 1936, Washington, D. G., do not vest authority in the Section 13 Committee to prescribe the conditions of a particular "coordination" including the compensation of employee required to perform the coordinated service=

-IC) The Washington Agreement does not supersede Section 2, Seventh, and Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, since ,any plan of coordination would affect the seniority status and working conditions ctf the employee affected.

I could not agree that Carriers$ re-submission was improper when, upon "failing agreement the proper procedure is recourse to the Section 13 Committee", as docided by the other Referee in Docket No. 70.

Section 5 of the Washington Agreement expressly provides that in event of failure to agree on the "assignment of employees made neeeaoary by a coordination", then and in that event "the dispute may

                    (Continued)


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Fte-Sua anittod Docket No. 70 coat'd. - p.

be aubmittad by either party for adjustment in accordanco with Section 13." The basic dispute was over failure of the parties to agree on the asoi;nmant of employee. The incidence of their dispute over compensation employes retained in the service tad other working conditions, that arm is controversy in connection with chanaea brought about in the "coordinated" operation, had been covered by a Section 6 notice;

We were and are in accord that the Washington Agreement does not take away any rights that the employes have under Section 2, Seventh and Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act, as amwsded, but neither do wo see anything in said Washington Agreement that cou· flictu with said Railway Labor Act. Additionally, there isn't anything In the Act for staying the application of the Washington Agroo. meat until the parties to a dispute can reconcile their differences in collective bargaining over rates of pay, rules and working conditions is the coordinated operation.

I do not dispute the contractual right of employes to follow their work and participate in the "coordinated" operations, but this doss not mean that some "employees of all the Carriers involved" will not bo "deprived of employment as a result of said coordination:

I learn from reading the record, In the instant case, that a critical impasse had been reached by failure of the Pacific Electric freight crews on Pacific i:lectric San Fernando Branch to evidence any real interest in following their work. So, is it now to be said that Carriers' rights under the Agreement of May, 1936, Viashington, D. C. can be defeated by inaction on the part of employee that chows a lack of interest in following the worst and a clear refusal to agree upon "assignment of employees made necessary by a coordination?" . Carrier* were willing to agree but the Organisations of the employee affected wore not and ao far as I know never have been and are not now. Qarriors' expressed willingness for the Organizations to work out the assignment of employes to their own satisfaction within the bounds of said Washington Agreement is the basis hrro for saying that Carriers were willing to agree..

Those who speak of the Washington Job Protection Agreement in reverent tonsa for its clarity and case of underatandin?, by men of practical experiences thereunder failed to "cram down my throat" the gagging morsel of thought that the kaowlsdgeabls and sophisticated authors of paid Agreement inwnded foriit to be "mutilated" in any ouch way,

                    (Continued) 1 .

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:Le-Sabratt--d D nckot No. 70 cont'd. -p. 4

I decided that the partias should have another thirty days on the property for ayrealng upon a proper basis for selection and assignment of forces from participating Carriers, after contentions that might have hold them apart had boon docidod by me, but, if they continued to disajroo, the torms proposed by Carriers should be made effective; and, any dispute over the incidence of the changes to be later settled in accordance with the Railway Labor Act, as amended. In the meantime those "dnftaed employees affected by coordination" (employes of all the Carriers involved) to have all allowances to which entitled under the Washington Agreement.

The Carriers' proposed arrangement for selection and assign. me:.. Of forces in this dispute might not have the Committee's sanction in other and different circumstances, but mast be accepted here "as appropriate for application to the particular case." (emphasis added). Only ono biased as between the parties could have decided the dispute is any other way, in my studied opinion.

                  DOCKET NO. 90


This dissent, although proper under the broad notice that "employee Members reserve the right to file dissents to aAy.ot the decisions they so desire", was, nevertheless, unexpected.

The words found in the "Docialon" that "more cannot be required c: :_._ Carriers", appear to have an offensive ring at this late date, but vroro not mentioned as offensive at the time of adoption. Even now, the words, used out of full context, as they are in the dissent, are characterized in said dissent as a "bland observation", and I agree. Obviouoly, though, more is intended. by the dissent than to quibble over words.

The thrust of the dissent is that neither "the Section 13 Committee or Rofereb Coffey have any vested authority to prescribe or direct the terms or conditions of an implementing agreement under Section 5 other than the allocation of employees to participate in a coordinated operation."

If the Section 13 Committoe, with or without a referee, is powerlees to dictate the terms of an implementing agreement other than as atatod above, and I have no reason to say that It has that authority, where, under the Washington Job Protection Agreement, do the employees or their Organizations find the right to inject foreign matters into deliberations involving the assignment of employees made necessary by a re-arrangement or adjustment of forces in anticipation of a coordination?

(Ccatlausd)

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~JCi~3t
i:o. ?9 eoltr.J - p. 3

The riya;, is ray opinion, is non-existent and does not vast anywhere or io say one un4er paid Washington Agreement.

to the instant dispute, the employees and their Craanizations insfsta4, (sftor reaching an accord on the selection of forces, the apaortiun:n®at ®f the work. as assignment of employees to that work, as coamraplated by Sections 4 and S) that Carriers make the concession. before putting the "coordination" into effect, that not less than eight yard eneins assipments working seven days per week for a period of three to five years, depending spoa agreement. be retained in service,

I concurred in the vicars of the Carriers that this amounted to as attarapted 1fab freeze" contrary to the,purpeses and intent of the Vashinrton Jab Protection Agreamoat.

      Recognizing. as I do, that. to connection with any anticipated

_ 19coordination". the parties thereto are free to bargain out any differences, upon which tlwy can readily svree, without resort to the :1aiiway Labor Act; and, seeing some practical advantags in broadening the scope of say implementing agreement, beyond what is required by Soctioas 4 arid 5 of said Washington Agreement, for putting at rest all tr ooblesome questions that can be foreseen and disposal of amicably is "ons package", I sought sot to impose upon this freedom of choice, so long as not misused oar abuwd to defeat the lawful objects and purposes fear first putting the "coordination" into offact and without any restraint upon negotiations later to follow, purou%ot to the serving of the Section 6 notice under the Railway Labor Act, as amended. The doeis,iosl speaks for itself in all the particulars heroin mentioned.

                  DCCYET NO. 98-B


'b a issues on, which tics Cenmaaittee, without a iteferee, dead
-04 are as stated is the Actor" Flediaga and Decision and as
repeated in. the dL$asst.

Those issues were fully beard, argued sad extensively briefed.

The evidence in the record clearly showed that, pursuant to Section 4 notices, the pasties suet sod conferred, but could not agree on the re.arranp,ement nod selection of forces or assignment of employees made necessary in what Carriers alleged. and a majority on the ComnaMso found, was s 04coordinatioa".

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Docket :No. 93- 5 cont'd. - p. 6

Thz record further reflected that tLe Carriers' proposed selection of forces from t5R on,ploysas of all the Carriers involved, sand aesignmont of employees made necessary by a "coordination", was appropriate for application in the particular case.

The Employe htombare of the Conimittos did not seem to think the Committee had synthetic iaaues before it, or a biased I®farea to "cram the works down the throat" of the employee, until they lost the case.

"The 'Decision' of the Reforeo rendered March 19, 1963, in Docket 98 amply speaks for itself" and I stand thereon despite any feeling without proof to support, on the part of others whose impartiality has never been attsated or certified to. that said decision reflects bias, prejudice and come sadistic tendencies.

                DOCKET NO. 73


tvith regrets I was unable to find a proper basis for sustaining a "separation allowance under Section 9 of the 'Washington Agreement of May, 1'736" without doing what I thought would be violence to an agreement that all on the Committee, with or without a Referees are duty bound to uphold in gasping with their individual judgments properly exercised.

In the absence of claimant's chosen counsel, on whose advice he obviously acted, a stirring and moving plea was made, on his behalf, by the Zxrploye Members of the Committee, and the Vice Chairman of the mploye Joint Conference Committee in particular. On the basis thereof and with the concurrence of the Carrier Members of the Committees the door wag left open for the "practically illiterate" claimant to claim "any other protective benefits he may be able to establish if there are others to which he can lay claim under said agreeawat." This part of the decision was not arrived at out of sympathy but due to some remaining uncertainty that ail of claimant's rights had been foreclosed or extinguished on the basis of facts, of record. The decision is just and conscionable. The Agreement just does not support the claim at issus, however, from what I can find therein.

                  DOCKET NO. 92


Here is a dissent that ably demonstrates a remaining difference of opinion on the merits. I congratulate the author.

                  (Continued) .

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      Docket No . 97. ccn8'd. » p. 7


    Some remote, tag-and :nor tc wnrj transferred from ono fully coordinntod lporation to another. after pogitiono had been abolished that owed their coutinuad exiotoaca to a vuanual operation and no longer required at the ones "coardinatod" facility after it had been converted to an auto:aatic opsrrtion.


          I waft Plot able to dGtaT, miaz, ox the basis of the record, the

    essential " .ar-t actin of two or more carriers whereby they unify,

    consolidate, morga or poe or !n part in part their separate railroad

    facilities or any of the opasationu or services pravloasly performed

    by them through such unparate fzcilitieo." (smphasis supplied).


    It coutinuoi to bs say vpiniou taut oho abolishment of three regular and ono regular relief Operator .Levorman positions at MG Tower was not the result of join; action of two or more Carriers for effoctuatiny a "coordination", as the; torm is defined in Section Z(a) of the Washington Job hrotoctiou A3reament.


                      DOCF MT NO. 95


    Thin case wan ably anal a?Ullfuily tried, argued and briefed. The arguments in all cases on the agenda area matter of record. The "Findingell and "Decisions" in ell docksto, the same as the "Dissents", mutet be evaluated in terms o? the %hole record. despite any and all 7^osultina disuppolatmenta.


                  UaG ION (tr. p. ZI)


    "Now, the word position is something that we have got to decide bore, just what it means with rospoct to the Washington Agreement".


                    ORGANIZATION tr~. p. 419 )


    "$iu whore we dicogr oe. and whore this dispute lies, is how are the omployas asuiened to the Tologranhers' era board who were alovsd down was place on the extra boards have these people been affected by the coordination I That is our problem here."


                    CARd.1.ER (tr. ep!R 44449M

                                  8


    "The Agveerxmnt under consideration is popularly known as the Washin;ton Sob Protection Agroamant and this Carrier earnestly be· liaves that if thie Committcae will canutrue the word 'position' as msswing a job whorovo:. it to need Iu that sense in the Washington Job Protection A greemaue, it WUI have no difficulty in svttcbing st proper doterminafan of the question at iacua.


                        (Continued)

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Docket No. 95 at'd. · 1~. 1!

"«'hatovor coufu5ion eaicts lies in the fact that the Organisation hda attomptod to aubstituto rolstive place. a;tuption or standing as the meaning of the torso 'poaitiou' whore that tyre is used in the sense of a job. An OMP1OYOS relc.avo plaeu, situation or standing on a seniority rostox is not sa job."

                CA1111ER (:: , p p' a 437, 438, 339)


"No tciugrsphor on the extra list has a position, job, with its usual attributes of a roeular work pariod, duties, rate of pay, etc. A tole araphor'a rank oa tha extra list is doterminod by his seniority data on the roator and the seniority date remains constant irrespective of the nuazbrnr of mcn on the extra list.

"Smith displaced no one on the extra list. H' merely placed himself in the slot to which his seniority entitled him. This is a seniority ar4 not a rotary extra Uct and telegraphers thereon are called in seniority ardor to respond to service jobs covered by the Telegraph©r 'o Agreement.

"Talographsrs on the extra list do got displace among themselves except when working on jobs covered by the Agreement.

',Uador the ruloa of the Tclagrnphor's Agreement on this property there to neither ua extra boa: d nor :.n sutra list consisting of an accepted and eotablishnd camber of man or jobs. When a telegraphax's job to abolichod or ha to diaplacpd in the exercise of seniority rights and iacka s4fficiunt ooniority to obtain and retain another regular fob, he reverts to the extra list.

"ha may continue thereon indefinitely provided a period of ninety consecutive days does not alaapeo botwoen his service on jots covered by theldrosmant, and ouch a situation rarely occurs."

              ORG Arr12ATICIN ttr.. pp's 420, 4210 4:)


"Now; on Novombor 13, 1961, our man Smith reverted to the TelearapbersI extra board, and he is rrcelvina a displaeoment nllowauce. There were six man aa"anod to the Telegrapherst extra board at that time, There was only one rnrus on the board senior to htra.

"That meant that when he reverted to the extra board there were five eon below him on that board, junior to Mr. Smith.

(Coatinucid)

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Docket No. 9!
' onrld: - p. '3

"NOW, the rule govcrauaw the urea of satra board men on this property is Rule 3(aj. which I Yaill quote.

        'Temporary vacancies will be filled by the oldest idle eatra omployo.is, provided an o:ctra ernployes cannot clalfn extra work 4t excess of 40 hours in his work weak, Sf arothcr extra employee who has had loss than 40 hours in his work week is cvailahlo, except chat is :illin& the assignmaut of a regular employco ho may continue thereon, asbfoct to other provinious of this paragraph 3, with raspoct to ro:oxaon of .2a assignment by extra omploycoa. When as axtra amployae takes the asaigurneat of n regular employee, he aeaumas the conditions of such assignment, inc:ludlnrs the work week and root days thereof.


"That in a nutshell moans that extra employees on the Frisco Railroad are uoed in accordance with their seniority.

Isla other words, those people have a position on the extra board, the oldest raga, the tsext, the third anal so on down.

"As the work becomeu available the senior idle extra employee on that list is wood. ha has a preference for the work as it becomes available.

"If, for example. in this case there were six men on the extra board. If two w"ks work became available, the senior man became eligible for thin wor!4 sad he would perform it. At the completion of this assignment ho returns to the extra work board and there is no other work.

""He again is first out on that extra board because he is the sealer employee assigned to that hoard.

"Therefore, when Mr. Smith returned to the eatra board on November 13, 1961, all five of thaso men junias to him were placed down on that extra board just one more matt. Their job opportunity was loosened to the extent not only of the loss of one position but the increase it: the Size of tiaa extra board by ono man."

(Continued)

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Docket No. 95 r it'd. - p. 10

CARRIf.I (tr. pp's 347.4491

"n s e this Conmi:tao is further earnestly urged to give special attention to the foliowinb remarks of the Counsel for t'aia Organisation at a recent hearing before Ercexgancy Board No. 148 (Carrier's Exhibit 3 in tLA record);

      612:1. SCHOENEt I am sorry. Dr. Daly. I don't got the distinction you are mskiag between jobs and positions, apparently.


      'Ir. our terminology, we refer to the earn* thing as a job and a position, and when -- it is when we try to be formal and write it into agreements, we say 'positions when we talk among ourmelves, we talk about fobs.


      'Each of them has certain attributes, and Mr. Leigbty has testified to ouch as it has a rate of pays it has defined hours per day, days per week, and at least generally specified duties attached to the job. As Mr, Leighty has testified, it 1s each such position or job is identified in the wage scale, and when it is essential that its attributes be describsd in the bulletin."`


          ORGANIZATION (tr. r)p$o 451, 452, 453)


"MR. SCHOEDMIc t Yea, I have a few questions. I will precede them by observinG that i am becoming thoroughly convinced that anything that I and my clients say somewhere is somehow recorded in some gigantic electronic bvaia.

"Mr. Doaton, in the statement you filed with the Committee on July.~b, you quoted Mr. Leighty frown the same hearing that you today quoted me from.

      "Do you know what context the discussion was taken from?


"12.R, DEATONt A. Well, there is in the record, on page 5 of Carrier's Exhibit 8. where quite a few of you were discussing the question. Mr. Trianon$ wag cross examining Mr. Leighty and he said this.

"M8, SCHOv~NEt p. Now, when you have a vacancy or sickness or other absences, and a roan is taken frost what is called the extra board, does ha occupy a position? Is there such a thing as an extra position?

(Continued)

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'
Docket No. 95 nt'd. . p. 11

"A. Mr. Leighty said:

      'On some rallroades and I am not completely familiar with all of the operations of the New York Central System, but wader the vacation agreomant the omploylaa officer of each division is supposed to confer with the district chair. man on each divioion and arrange for vacation schedules for each employee who is entitled to a vacation that year.'


"Now then, to return to your question, Mr. Sehoens. One of the mambo: a of the Board gave his definition of the term position sad job. I think that was where your remarks followed.

"Q. In what context was this. what rise of the term position eras under discussion?

"A. This was in the hearing in connection with the dispute on the Now York Central.

      "Q. What was in dispute?


      "A. It was the so called job freeze notice. as I recall it.


      "Q. What was that notice. what did it say?


"A. Well. I don't have it. I read it. Mr. Schoens. but I don't have all of the transcript here before me.

"Q. Wells in order to judge the relevance of the conversation that you quoted, isn't it necessary that we know is what context the word position iv used?

      "A. -Wells I have ··


      "Q. But you don't know?


      "A. The-record has several pages.


      '1Q. None of which reflect what the dispute was about?


      "A. It is extracted from the hearings, yes.


"Q. Ycn, but the extracts don't reflect what proposal was under discussion, do they?

(continued)

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    Doekot r?o. 95
    · nt'd. - p. 12


    "Lot rno ask you this, You said you :sad the record. Is it in accordance with your recollection that the proposal that gave rise to the diapao was the proposal that the oxi:ting rules be amsndod to include a provision that no position should be abolished or diacontiuuad oxcopt by agreement between the Carriers sad the Organization?


        'IA, I think you are correct.


    "Q. In other words, this conversation relating to what the Orgunizatioa meant should not be abollohod or discontinued except by mutual agroemsnt?


    "A. That is what has generally been referred to as job frees* notices.


- "G. I want to know if that was the context of the word 'position'.
    I underotand your answer to be yes, is that correct?


    "A. My answer was, the Emergency Board hearing was held as a result of the notico the ORT served upon thu Carrier, and I think you have substantial knowledge of what it was, yon have substantially stated what it was."


              CARRIER (tr. ppls 493, 444, 445, 446)


    "The Washington Job Protection Agreement has boon in effect for more thun a quarter of a century, and although the parties to this dispute have been involved in other coordiaatione, this is the first time the Or Canisation has contended that extra list telegraphers were adversely affected.


    ~On August 25, 1959, this Carrier and the Kansas City Terminal Company in Kansas City served a Section 4 notice to coordinate KCT tower 4 and li riseo-Z9th Street interlocker, Kansas City.


    11Cn September 20, 1959, the Frisco Company and the Santa Fe served Section 4 notices to coordinate this separate station facility at Pawnee, Oklahoma and Girard, Kansas.


    "The implementing agreement on the Pawnee-Girard coordination was entered into on October 14, 1959, with the ORT.


    "The implementing agreement covering the KCT tower 4 and Friaeo-29th Street iatsrloeker was entered into with the Telegraphers on February 29, 1`150.


                        (Continued)

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Docket No. 95 u'd. - p. 13

"On day 1, 1960, the Frisco and Cotton Belt served Section 4 notices for coordination of their separate station facilities at Harvard and Gideon. The implementing agreement was signed September 1, 1960.

"In none of those coordinations was there any contention voiced by the Organization as they are advocating here today, and in connec. tion with the Santa Fe -Pawnee-Girard coordination. I would litre to read into the record one provision in the implementing agreement.

      "This is Section 4 of the implementing agreement of Getoberl4,

19591

        'Subsequent to t'ne effective date of the aforesaid coordinations at Girard. Kansas and Pawnee. Oklahoma agencies. as herein before provided, this shall be determined by Frisco in connection with the Pawnee. Oklahoma coordination, and the Santa Fe in connection with the Girard. Kansas coordination; the names and seniority

        dates of the individuals displaced from a regular _

        assignment as a result of such coordinations.

        And such displaced employees shall be handled

        in accordance with the provisions of the

        Agreement of May,. 1936. Washington. D. C.'


"The Arbyrd-Gideon coordination with the Cotton Belt, effective September 1. 1960. According to ORT Exhibit A, introduced here today, those awards and the dissent therefor are dated September 25, 1960.

"Now then, the notice to coordinate. Leachville and Campbell were served on August 1. 1941, Implementing agreement was signed on Aagitst 24, 1961. sad the coordination became effective November 1, 1961.

"It is.apparent therefore that the Organisation has seemingly changed its views as to the meaning and intent of the Washington Job Protection Agreement, and particularly Section 6 thereof. mines the Arbyrd.Gideoa coordination."

            ORGANIZATION (tr, pp'e 456, 457)


"Mr. Referee, for the record I would like to clarify this agreement that 1Lr. Doaton refers to, Involving Girard# Kansas and Pawnes, Oklahoma.

(Continued)

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Docket No. ;5
it'd. · p. 14

"Tie quoted a paragraph from that implementing agreement which specifically referred to the application of the protective benefits to a regularly assigned employee who is displaced.

"i anid earlier here that as part of my duties I supervise the negotiations under the Washington Agreement.

"Wham this agreement was aegotiated involving Girard and Pawnee, we had a relatively brand new General Chairman on this property, and we had a brand new Vice F,resident.

"1 th" I will repeat to you. Mr. Referee, what I told the committee. When this agreement reached my desk there was certain action taken, tend I don't believe the Vice President still finds it very comfortable to sit down.

"That is the only agreement, to my knowledge, that has a specific reference to the Washington Agreement being applicable only to regularly assigaed employees,

"That was a mistake, we have had to live with it and haven't insisted in this agreement that the extra employees are entitled to anything.

"i want to correct the record. that this isn't our position and never has been. Other Carriers are paying the extra employeso who have bean affected, but it is a very difficult thing. Mr. Referee, to police the application of the Washington Agreement.

"It is a very complicated Agreement, and many of our people overlook these benefits that some of our employees she entitled to secaive.

~'l just wanted to correct the record. that this is not the organization's position. as contained in this implementing agreement."

As an explanatory note. oltT Exhibit A refers to sustaining awards in an ad hoc arbitration by Special Board of Adjustment No. 226 for interpreting language of paragraph I in the "Burlington conditions" and the application of said "Burlington conditions" to extra boards Telegraphers in employments with the MK&T R. R. Co.. stressed in 4 pages of argument by the Organization (tr. pp'e 4Z6.4tT, 428,429), with the same heavy emphasis again being placed thereon in the dissent.

                    (Cc ntinned)

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Docket 'No. 95 ~ ·nt'd.

Docket No. 17, decided by the Committee. without a Referee, is also drawn into contention by the dissent. With regard to said docket, the only evidence of record on oral hearing, disclosed:

    17. Order of Railroad Telegraphers v. The Denver and Rio Grande l~lestorn R. R. Co.


Claim of the General Committee of The Order of Railroad Talegraphors on Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad. that as a result of the coordination of the carrier's separate railroad facilities at Palmer Lake. Colorado, with the separate railroad facilities of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway at name place, effective July 15, 1933. the Denver & Rio Grande Ueatern Railroad employees covered by the telegraphers' agreement, as listed below, have been advoraoly affected in their earnings, and under the provisions of the waahin Eton Agreement of may, 1936. and particularly Section 6(a) thereof, have due them for the period July 15, 1938, until April 30, 1940, approximately the amounts met opposite their respective names:

G. E. Schlaf $7.24 C. F. Swanson 327.73 J. H. Harvey 123.50 P. Ta. Lawis 327.23 S. M. 9lackwell 370.42 J. F. Strador 337.'28
C. J. W heat 230. 51

G. B. Pitney :364.1=
J. O. Smith 334.26
Fay Highfill 510.91
F. J. Thlramescb 422.18
E. T. Viebrock 17.38
Chas. Coombs 201.54
3.574.82

and thor, oafter, subsequent to April 30, 1940, for the remainder of the
five year period mentioned in Section 6(a), the same employee shall be
paid semi-monthly the difference, if any, between their actual earnings
and the average soml·mombly earnings of the base year.

      Submitted Ex Parts by O.R.T., September 29, 1941.


DECISICN t

That employee of the D. & R.G. Vl. represented by the Order of Railroad Telographere lost two jobs at Palmer Lake as a result of the coordination that occurred at that point, but on the basis of peculiar facts of record all employee thereby affected, including those affected by Mr. i-Iele'a exorcise of seniority on the D. & R. G. W . roster, will be accorded protection tinder the "AGREEMENT OF MAY, 1936, WASHINGTON. D.C."

Ncither the cloning of the agency at Howard nor the transfer of the tolagraphor position at Walsenburg to the Colorado & Southern ryas

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Doc:cet No. 95 t'd. - p. 16

the result of, or related to, the Palmer Lake coordination, and they will not enter into the compensation calculation as used by either . party*

ISFEREE'S INFERENCES,

DEDUCTIONS, AND CONCLUSICNS

(Reasoning)


The dispute was submitted Ex parts for decision on the proposi. ties:

          "Are employoms assigned to an Extra Hoard who are affected by a 'coordination' entitled to the protective benefits provided in the 'Agreement of May, 1936, Washington, D. C.' specifically a'displacement allowance' under Section 67"


- section 6 provident

          "No employee of any of the carriers involved in a particular coordination who is continued in service

          shall, for a period not exceeding five years follow. ..

          in Z the effective date of such coordination, be

          placed, as a result of such coordination, in a

          worse position with respect to compensation and

          rules governing working conditions than he occupied

          at the time of such coordination so long as he is

          unable in the normal exercise of his seniority

          rights under existing agreements, rules and prae.

          tices to obtain a position producing compensation

          equal to or exceeding the compensation of the

          position held by him at the time of the particular

          coordination, except however. that if he fails to

          exercise his seniority rights to secure another

          available position, which does not require a change

          in residence. to which he is entitled under the

          working agreement and which carries a rate of

          pay and compensation exceeding those of the

          position which ho elects to retain, he shall there

          after be treaced for the purposes of this section

          as occupying the position which he elects to

          decline. "


The real dispute is over the meanina of the word'position". Cue position had been abolished as the result of a ''coordination". The occupant of thro abolished "position", being unable, in the normal exercise of his seniority under existing agraemonts, rules and practices. to obtain another "poeition" was forced to the extra list.

                    (Con124tinued)

Referee's lnier~.icas, Deductions* and Conclusion* cont'd. . p. 17

        "No employee of any of the carriers involved is a particular coordination who is continued is service shall. for a period not exceeding five years following the effective date of ouch coordination, be placed, as a result of such coordination, in a worse 'position' with respect to compensation and rules governing working conditions than (the position) he occupied at the time of such coordination."


The protection afforded by paragraph (a) of Section 6 shall be made effective "wh3nnver appropriate" through what is designated as a "displacement allowance". Any employe entitled to such allowance is referred to, for purposes of the agreement. as a _displaced employe*,,. Section 6(b).

If the "displaced employee" fails to exercise his "seniority rights" to secure another available "position". which does not require a change in residence. to which he is entitled under the working agree. ment and which carries a #rate of pay" and "compensation" exceeding those of the "position" which he elects to retain, he shall thereafter be treated for purposes of Section 6(a) as occupying the "position" which he elocte to decline.

The key words in Section 6(a) are "position" and "seaiortty rights" as we shall try later to demonstrate.

The only "displaced employee" so far as I am able to see, for purposes of this case, was the regular assigned encumbent of the abolished. ape ition, who was usable is the exercise of his seniority ri~ihta,~o secure another available position under the working agree. moat producing compensation equal to or exceeding the compensation of the position held by him at the time of the particular coordination. He la being taken care of. No em eye on the extra list was displaced . therefrom.

In Docket No. 9. the Committee, without a Referee. had before it a submission dated February 29. 1940. The Washington Job Protection Agreemsat had been in existence only about four yeUrs. The record before me in connection with that Docket is next bersia· after reproduced. ,

(Contiauad)

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Roforoo'n Iasoror ·os.
Daductiora and L .relusiono eont'd. . p. 18

9. Order of Uilroad Telegraphers v. Gulf. Colorado & Santa Fe
Railway-Co.

3otnt roquoat for intorprotation of the "Agreement of May. 1936.
Wauhingion, D. C. "' in connection with the
consolidation of
telegraph
facilities at each Brady, Texas, and F3rownwood. Texas. Joint subriiaaion. February 29. 1J40. Oral hearing waived.

QUESTION ¢)
- Is the "average monthly compensation" determined in accordance with the formulae prescribed in Section 6-(c) and T-(a) of the Agreement, subject to change to conform to subsequent increases and/or decreases in basic hourly rates resulting from general wage adjustments?

-
QUEST) - Are affected emplayes who have insutfieieat waiority to obtain and retain a regular assignment, but who revert to and perform service from the extra list. entitled to compeaaation under section 6 or Section
7,
of the Agreement, or under a combination of bets
Sections
?'

DEC:SION
t

QUESTION (1)
- No.

QUESTION (2)
- Section 6 of the
"AGREEMENT OF MAY. 1936.
WASHINGTON, D.C." applies.

Practical railroad men. if you please, made that decision within a relatively short period after the Washington Agreement was consume matod.~Rot some 2? years later. The "benefit provisions" were sufficiently clear for the "practical railroad men", who were parties to the dispute, to know what they mean. They claimed only on behalf of the "affected empioyoos
who have
insufficient seniority to obtain and retain a regular assignment". If
there had boon some basis
for claiming more under the submission, pursuant to the Agreement. I reasoned that those "practical railroad men" would have known about it, so coon after the Agreement under which they
were
claiming had boon consummated, and construed their action to be in complete
accord
'with said Agreement. Docket No. 9 was frequently mentioned an oral hearing. (tr. pp'e 418. 449, 459.460).

(Continued)

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Zeferce's lafc: sr·^es.
Doductioao and t ecluotons, coat% · p. 19

In Docket No. 17, supra, the Cocumittee. without a Raforee, had boforo it an :x parts submission from the CAT dated September 29, 1941 on bahaif of individual clsi=antss, as d1aanguished from a oubmiaaiou ca principle in the instant cast and as in Docket No. 9.

The deciolon in Docket No. 17 does not say who of the individual elatnuats wore affected, but does hold:

          "That omployea of thw D.&R.G.W, represented by the Order of Railway Telegraphers lost two lobs at Poker Lake as a result of the coordination that occur : ed at that point, but on the basis of the peculiar facto of record all employes thereby affected, including those affaetad by Mr. Hale's exarciso of senioslty on the D,dl R.O. W . roster

- will be accorded protection under the 'Agreement
          of harry, 1936, Washington, D. C."'


The "peculiar facts of record", in Docket No. 17, and not in sons other docket, were obviously controlling of that decision. What ths_ "peculiar facts of record" were that influenced the decision is still a mystery to ma. Presumably those facts wart peculiarly applicable to D. & R,G.'6 .'n agreement with its Telegraphers.

Docket* 11 and 21 cause on for brief mention, during oral argument, as shown at pogo 458 of the transcript. as follows:

          "In Dockets 18 and 21, those dockets seemingly cover disputes as is displacement allowances to which regularly assigned employees wore oatitiod.


          "But if those regularly assigned employees who were claimants in those dockets reverted to the extra board, or as the Organisation says, displaced someone else on the extra list, 7 don't find any claims in those dockets is behalf of the extra employees."


After the record had been closed (tr. p. 458) the Employe Members of the Committem. sensing some failure on the Organization's part to sea in Docket No. 17 the great weight sad probative force oariier that the Employs Members of the Committee would now give to that decision, later came forward, on the last day.the Committee was in session, with cite ORT'n submission in that Docket, but not the entire record.

                      (Continued)

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Raforac'o iafuru fs, Doductionu and Conclunionacont'd. · p. 20

The ART sssbzaiaaioa acrvas to identify the aamad claimants according to "position held irn=a<il:.t3Iy prior to coordination"; 'lnormal o;:cr cisa of aealority as a ra::ult of coordinatiaa"; sad. "aubsequ%xnt uuarcise of asniority". "Total corapansatica rocolved during teat parted" and "overuse moathiy cungonsation received during :out period" era given :or vurificatioa of the claims on behalf of the individual claimanw.

IL can --Igo 6e determined from tiio E:: parts aubmisaion, in sad Docket No. 17, that one 3. ii. aiarvoy was displaced an the extra board from the "position" of "2d Telegrapher Trinidad. Colorado" which he hold iaomadiatoly prior to the coordination. Ton of the other named ciaisnazta were on the catra board. Mr. Hale, namxd is the decision, was "not involved in the Lwtaat elaira", lie "did not choose to place himaolf is a lens favorable condition of asnploymsst by wavering his omploymeut with the D&FLGW and traas· forring his aauiority to the Santa r a Railway is ardor to cautious is employment at s'aimor Lake."

The Carrier Members of the Committee refused to be drawn into another argument after the record had been closed. The Carriar'a oificor, who had argued the case before me. was not aviare, at the time, that the Or?,anUatioa had new arguments to advance. Tho Zmployea gonoruily loon with disfavor upon rc·heariaga or re-argument. I was not particularly impresoad with the decision made on the "basis of the pecu»iar facts o: roeord°. Those words axe studiously employed frequently by a deciding agency, in connection with any compiicatad roco:d, to tic the decision down to a particular case. The little of the record before rao is Docket %o. 17 is eompii· cated. I dacidad aaaiast applying the decision in auothor and later sago, involving different parties, who cannot be idoatilie$ with the 0paeulA8r fucta of record" in the decided case.

I did ignore. the sustai:.iag arbitration decisions by Special Board of Adjuatrusat No. 225, but sat out of any dioroupact for the viawo of the very able Referee who raaaono his roault quits well. Whether he would have reason®d the same result on the record before me. or whether I would huva arrived at the Homo derision la the dispute hoard by him. neither of us is called upon to may.

The iany,uage is paragraph 1 of tae "Burlintoa Conditions" and pection 6(e.) oz the "1iiaohingtou A.greemeat" springs :ram daferoat nouvcoa. Those who are csilad upon to look to other

(Coatiaued)

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ila:urue'a Xra°araneoss,
nndr.ctiona, :.n;3 incluoion3, cont'd. - Pn. 21

"co;:3ltica~r" for empioyo protection are free to look to this Committee's i»to:r;:e:ation of the Washington Agreement, L3 Cloy wish, but what ihcy jay about tLu "Burlinutoa Conditional" as a basis of Zrunting or Siit'-'.avl:1::1 j vanefits, 4009 not bind tale Comat1tteo, iu :My opinion.

Tdo section 13 Conuaittao has no otandir.g tutdor the "Burlington Cuaultlcns", nor dons as Arbitration B"rd, in a3 has arbitration proca:d;.ngra for conutruing, iutarnroting and applyinf the ',Burlington Coaditioaa", 'awro arty atandina undar the "Washington Job Paotoetion A groamoct".

TTha wztcctmant of Section 5(a)(f) of tiao latorntata Commerec Act, or "case: of Cue Inter etatce Cornmorce Commission. inzpoaiab conait:oua for tae protoetian of omployes, does not necessarily stay the application of the A3roonient of May, 1936, Washington, D. C., from what I c:oo in Dockot No. 27, doeidnd by the Committee with the assistance 4of another Referee.

I !eel confident that the Employe Members of the Committee would not hold thanaselves to be bound by an adverse decision in an arbitration proceeJtnys outside the Washington Job Protection Agre"uont and wee think with good reason as herein stated.

I triad, but could not reason that the words "worse poaltion", appoarin, in Sacttoa h(a) differed £xom the bon of the word "pooition" ova wore tirne3 in the same Section, or In connection with its =nay oehar an2oarances elsewhere in the Agreement of :.lay, 1936, Waohingtors, n. C. Ban. Sections 6(c), 7(a), 7(c), 7(f). and 9.

'zoo .vo-d "position" is not defined. A batter or woroa ·"p,>oit1cn' with r copoct to companoation and ruloa governing working coaditiuua" heu to find lts roots in existing agreements, rules and practices un the propert9l, for the craft or clasz of omployax affscted. 'She sums holds -*or the exorcism of seniority rights.

A "po3itlon" under the Tolegrapheroe Agreement has certain nnitr ibut4ia, ouch as "rates of pey°', "dufbied hours per day", "dnya per week", "awl at least generally oyecifiad duties attached to the job", ao chown frorn testimony before Emergency Board No. 148. In or out of carjtcat wit:t taut dispute, the words have a familiar ring, as do the words "zach such position or job is identified in the wags scale, and when it is oaaontial that its attributes be described in the bullet'-A".

(Continued)

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Referaa'o Inf®rer'!es, Deductions, and
%aclusions, eont'd. · p, il

- The
"bulletin", in railroad parlance, is the advertisement of an existing vacancy in
s
position identified to the ravage scale under the Telegraphers) Agreement. The "Dultotin" is the means for advertising the vacancy, rate of pay, hours of work, duties, ate. of the vacant poeitioa, for the "exercime of seniority rights under existina agreements, rules and practices."

Seniority is the touchstone of all rights under the Agreement of May, 1936, Washington, D. C. and is the link that is inseparably welded to all "positions" within the contractual :weaning of that word in keeping with the agreement. rules and practices on the separate properties.

The
decision, as a casual glance will show, does not foreclose the rights of all "extra" employee under the Agreement of May, 1936, Washington, D, C. There are those "extra" employer in the reilsoad industry, who, in the normal exercise of seniority rights under existing agreements, rules and practices op the different properties, displace on or displace from the extra list or board in the normal exercise of seniority rights under existing agreements, rules and . practices. In the instant case no telegrapher had bean displaced from the extra list, nor was anyone on said extra list at the time of the coordination deprived of employment as a result of said coordination. This was not an abandonment case, nor a transaction approved by the Interstate Commerce Commission where other protective benefits had been imposed,

The final point of disagreement is the asserted "grievoua error" that 1 chanbsd the words, "no employee of any of the Carriers etc" to read, "no
regular assigned employee of any of the Carriers sic'". 1 am left to reason that if I had changed the words to read, "no regular
assiqpd or
extra employees of any of the Carriers ate,,, I would not have changed the language of Section 6(a). The words, "no employee of gay of the Carriers ate" standing alone are devoid of any meaning. It does not amount to a change in language to supply words of reasonable intendinent an the basis of the entire page. writing. or agreamant, as explained on the record by knowledgeable persons. The fault must be. therefore. that I did not supply the words that the Organisation wanted me to use.

The value to be assigned to the decision and the dissent in this came can now be assessed on the basis of all of the record in the great detail herein reettsd.

(Continued)
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Referee Response.
to Dissents, con . - p. a3

DOCKZT NO. 100

Section E(a) of the Agreement of May, 193&, Washington, D.C, provident

"The tarsi 'coordination' as used herein means joint action by two or more carriers whereby they unify, consolidate. merge or pool in whols or is part their separate railroad facilities or any of the operations or services previously performed by them through such separate facilities."

I have it on authority of the Organization (tr. p. 490) than

"Here we have a terminal that was coordinated, that is how they foraged the terminal in the first place, the seven tenant lines.

"This was effected prior to the Washington Agreement, but it was a coordination."

Therefore, it is established at the outset that. by joiat action of two or reore carriers, the operations or services previously per. formed by thesis. in whole or in parts through their separate facilities had been unified, consolidated, merged or pooled before this dispute axose.

Tenant lines are now performing the questioned operations or services. in whole or in parts througu their separate facilities. The Organisation's argument that thu Cincinnati Union Terminal is a carrier party to the Agreement of May. 1936, Washington. D. C. had some appeals but did not carry enough weight to overcome some precedent value of earlier decisions by the ComasitWe, &#stated by another Referee, in Dockets 25,26,81 and 61.

I did not recognise is the "Findings" that a coordination was effected under the facto sad circumstances of record, as the dissent gratuitously holds. If this had been a case o1 first impression or other than tenant lines had been involved. I might have reasoned differentlyi bass, I was not convincede oa the basis of this record,. that Section 2(a) of the Agreement. supra. Is applicable. This case is eve

(Continued)

131
Docket ho. 100,
cont'd. - p. 24 --

where operations or servicas previously performed by the tenant lines through their separate facilities are a.-min being performed. is whole or in part. through those same separate facilities.

CCNCLUSICX

This response to
toe dissents will not serve my learned and respected colleagues, on either side, to any great advantage, nor will it likely gain for me any greater respect from the Employs Members of the Committee. Most of
what
appears h®reia was said by me to the Committee in our long deliberations; and, if I failed to impress my dissenters then, as I obviously have, I hold forth scant hope of doing so now.

A Aeforee is at some disadvantage. however, to the eyes of others, who do not know the record. by reason of his reluctance to expound on his decisions. if, in
the
process, he can set by with fewer words. The reasoned result is important only is those disputes that continue &(ter the result is haowa.

Dated at Sand Springs, Oklaboma, We the Sth day of December, 1963.

Reap tful oubmittad.

A. Langley C ay R a

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