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AT ISSUE:   Are employes protccted employes, who, on
   
October 1, 164, had two or more years
   
employment relationship with the Carrier,
   
and who transferred frcm one class of
   
service to another during the two years
  
. immediately preceding October 1, 1964,
 
--  retaining their seniority in the class
   
from which transferred?
OPINION
OF BOARD: The Organization members of the Disputes Committee
 
withdrew R. J. Cody as a claimant, since carrier's
 
Submission shed that his employment did not start
 
until April 14, 1964.
The two other Claimants had worked for Carrier for
many years. Each held seniority as a clerk on October 1, 1962,
and transferred to service in the Telegrapher class during the
two years prior to October 1, 1964. According to the Organization, they have the requisite two-year employment relationship,
since they had been promoted from Clerk to Agent and Question
No. 9 on Page 4 of the Interpretations of November 24, 1965,
therefore is applicable.
Question and Answer No. 9 state, as follows:
Can employment in more than one craft be
counted in determining protected status?
A69ARD No. , : ~%
Case No. TCU-15-E
C:rdinnrily no; however, in cases such
a::; prc°motion of a telegrapher to train
di:,-;:ccher, rrcmotion of a clerk. to
ynrc:;r:tstor, etc., where the seniority
i.~ ure.:: craft zr,:~:i which promoted is
.. _ _ __Lii, estnlc~·^^cnt .n t:aa higher classification will be counted.
C=r::r c::rnt-_nds that ^arvice in the Clerk and Telegrapher crafts cannot be combined in calculating the period of
Claimant's emnlovr:ent relationship. 
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only does Question No. 9
provide that employment in more than one craft cannot be counted,
it was said, but the stated exception concerning promotion is
not applicable; the T"~Iegraphers' agreement does not deal with
retention of Clerks' seniority, and there is no agreement between
the two Organizations on the subject.
While~there is an agreement between the Clerks and
Carrier that employees moving into the Telegraphers' craft would
retain Clerks' seniority, this case does not hinge on Claimant's
employment as a Clerk but as a Telegrapher. The claim is not
that of a Clerk seeking credit for time in a higher position,
but of a Telegrapher who seeks credit for time in a lower position. The latter is not anticipated by the Interpretation which
says that "employment in the higher classification will be counted.
(Underlining added.) Thus in the example given in the Interpretations a Clerk promoted to Yardmaster can count service as a
Yardmaster in qualifying for protected status as a Clerk. Under
the circumstances even if Clerk to Telegrapher were the kind of
promotion anticipated, a Clerk could receive credit for employment as a Telegrapher, but not vice versa.
In any event, promotions, as identified in Question
No. 9 csre not movements from one craft to 
which the 
February 7,
Agreement is applicable to another covered by that Agreement.
Both cited examples are clearly supervisory positions, in crafts
which are not signatory to the February 7, Agreement. If a move
such as Clerk to Agent had been intended to come within the
definition of promotion in the Interpretations, or if employment
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_3o. TCU-15-E
.z dia:ZYrent cro.~s --..'are to be pooled, it would have been more
i,cricul to refer to tiio: a than to tea- Opacific ::rod of promo~_o
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c:escribyd.
  
,·er.c:_i o- emplovr::nt r.:, a Cl(:rk anc~2!dating Toleg
 
='-.c:r ..^,er vice ::h:a : ·.9
.s 
not .rten~7~:~,"- to be inclued in 
calculating
:.-i> =sployment relationship 
entitliLg a 
Talegraphor 
to protected
A W A R D
With respect to Claimants, the answer
to 
the 
Question is No.
' Milton Friedman
 
Neutral Member
Dated: July 
8 
, 1971
 
Washington, D. i